Tue, Sep. 8th, 2009, 02:40 am
WTF of the day
about a man living in the midst of tel-aviv, who has (at least) 32 wives and 89 children and the authorities are unable to do anything about it.
Tue, Sep. 8th, 2009 04:55 pm (UTC)
"The women are subject to strict discipline, but say that they are all living with Goel Ratzon by their own accord...there had been several attempts at collective suicide when some of the women thought he was going to leave them "
If he convinced 32 women that it's a good idea to live like this, why shouldn't it be their right to act according to their conviction? Yes, this is a religious sect. Yes, this is a personality cult. That's ok. People have the right to follow weird prophets, serve them, abase themselves, and even kill themselves in the prophet's name. That's what freedom of religion means. As long as the children are healthy and educated and no one is physically prevented from leaving - why not?
Tue, Sep. 8th, 2009 07:04 pm (UTC)
Look, legally nothing is wrong there. But read my other comments to Talash - something is awfully wrong in that relationship between Goel Ratzon and his wives. Of course there is nothing the public or the legal system can do, but that doesn't mean we approve.
Wed, Sep. 9th, 2009 12:19 am (UTC)
As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger - who's "we", paleface? ;)))))
Generally, our opinions are very close, except that I don't even disapprove. It's weird, it's not my cup of tea, but as long as it makes them happy...
Wed, Sep. 9th, 2009 08:29 am (UTC)
Well, there are advantages in the way those women are living. Remember how this one wife said that in a polygamous family, there's no such thing as a woman alone, when she gets older? Those women always have company and they are very well organized as far as taking care of children and the house goes. If someone gets sick, she doesn't need to worry that her kids will be unfed, you know?
It's just that some moments there are very unhealthy and honestly, if my daughter wanted to be one of his wives, I would not be happy about her choice.
Wed, Sep. 9th, 2009 03:01 pm (UTC)
I suspect that in this particular polygamous family an elderly wife would be kicked out, but never mind my suspicions. I don't know what you mean by "unhealthy", it's obviously better for them than being on their own, which matches up with my definition of "healthy". Given that, if my daughter wanted to became one of these wives I would also be unhappy. And probably ashamed.
Wed, Sep. 9th, 2009 03:20 pm (UTC)
That's interesting - why do you think the elderly wife would be kicked out?
[Not arguing - it's totally plausible - it's just that I haven't thought of it, so I'm interested.]
Wed, Sep. 9th, 2009 03:25 pm (UTC)
Because he claimed not to know the name of one of his wives. That tells me he doesn't care about them all that much. And if he doesn't, and they loose their attractiveness and their income generating abilities (the single mother subsidy only lasts for a few years, right? once the children grow up it's gone), I just see no motivation for him to keep them around.
Wed, Sep. 9th, 2009 03:29 pm (UTC)
Oh. I thought you meant that once he's dead, the remaining wives would be kicking out the elderly ones.
Wed, Sep. 9th, 2009 04:03 pm (UTC)
No, I think once he's dead half of them will try to commit suttee.
Wed, Sep. 9th, 2009 04:21 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's pretty obvious.