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Tue, Sep. 8th, 2009, 02:40 am
WTF of the day

a movie about a man living in the midst of tel-aviv, who has (at least) 32 wives and 89 children and the authorities are unable to do anything about it.

W.T.F?!

Thu, Sep. 10th, 2009 01:04 pm (UTC)
talash

And, just for the record, on a not-quite-related note-- the word used for "dignity"-- "kavod"-- in that law-- like is the case with many words in hebrew also has several other meanings-- among them "honor,", "decency" and "respect"). So yeah, I guess that's one example of Sapir-Whorf in action. Also, you tend to hear "dignity" and "freedom" together so much in the context of discussing, mentioning or referring to this law in this country in the concept until it's almost axiomatic that the two concepts are closely interrelated. So yeah, you might have a very hard time convincing me otherwise ;)

Thu, Sep. 10th, 2009 03:44 pm (UTC)
mme_n_b

What law? What dignity? Do you mean the welfare laws?
I'm not actually going to even try proving that dignity and freedom are unconnected. Proving a negative is a chump's game. If you want to play - prove the positive. :)

Thu, Sep. 10th, 2009 04:05 pm (UTC)
talash

If you want to play - prove the positive

I won't. "Freedom and dignity are inherently interrelated" is an axiom for me. I must have something as an axiom, so I might as well have that, if anything.

Thu, Sep. 10th, 2009 05:14 pm (UTC)
mme_n_b

OK, in that case let's discuss something else.

Thu, Sep. 10th, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
talash

What dignity?

Also, can't define "dignity" more precisely than wikipedia; I do have some axioms about it though:

1. It exists.
2. It is a human right as fundamental as freedom
3. It is far more than just welfare laws.
4. Dignity and freedom are closely interrelated and cannot exist without one another.

Thu, Sep. 10th, 2009 05:18 pm (UTC)
mme_n_b

Am not going to discuss axioms.